Val, on Apr 8, 2010 - 11:36 AM, said:
Though, what ever your veiws are, they will be wrong as the all came from, and will eventually return to, The Great Pooping Turtle In The Sky! [T.G.P.T.I.T.S.]
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Posted Apr 19, 2010 - 4:50 PM
I'll go there...
I have some friends in the science field and one of them is working on space tourism vehicles. He also did research for a professor who opened my eyes to something I felt was true and has changed what I believe. His professor told him that not even Stephen Hawking could actually prove the Big Bang. He explained that it is ultimately a theory at its core and that even if you assume it is true (like most professors do) it doesn't explain what was before the big bang. He explained that science still can't explain the atom and that each year we learn more, but we still can't make atoms from scratch and therefore can't be certain as to how they came into existence -- except to theorize.
My friend said it was the most disturbing thought he ever had in his education up to that point. The bottom line is science actually does not explain away God, nor does it even fully answer for our own existence. Some things are proven, even down to the scale of atoms and nucleotides. Even if we can say the big bang put amino acids on the Earth and from those man emerged from the mud, where did the amino acids come from? No scientist can truly answer it and prove it. The same is true of God.
Ultimately, science requires a leap of faith as well, technology can improve and perhaps that leap will be bridged. But it hasn't happened yet. When science proves there is no God, then I will accept that there is not one. Instead of proving there is none, most practical scientists say "prove that there is a God." Both arguments fail. Now I go back to my day-to-day and simply accept that nobody knows, some believe, but nobody knows with absolute certainty. Thus, to each their own and people should be happy in their own beliefs as opposed to being so unhappy with the beliefs of others.
I have some friends in the science field and one of them is working on space tourism vehicles. He also did research for a professor who opened my eyes to something I felt was true and has changed what I believe. His professor told him that not even Stephen Hawking could actually prove the Big Bang. He explained that it is ultimately a theory at its core and that even if you assume it is true (like most professors do) it doesn't explain what was before the big bang. He explained that science still can't explain the atom and that each year we learn more, but we still can't make atoms from scratch and therefore can't be certain as to how they came into existence -- except to theorize.
My friend said it was the most disturbing thought he ever had in his education up to that point. The bottom line is science actually does not explain away God, nor does it even fully answer for our own existence. Some things are proven, even down to the scale of atoms and nucleotides. Even if we can say the big bang put amino acids on the Earth and from those man emerged from the mud, where did the amino acids come from? No scientist can truly answer it and prove it. The same is true of God.
Ultimately, science requires a leap of faith as well, technology can improve and perhaps that leap will be bridged. But it hasn't happened yet. When science proves there is no God, then I will accept that there is not one. Instead of proving there is none, most practical scientists say "prove that there is a God." Both arguments fail. Now I go back to my day-to-day and simply accept that nobody knows, some believe, but nobody knows with absolute certainty. Thus, to each their own and people should be happy in their own beliefs as opposed to being so unhappy with the beliefs of others.
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Posted Apr 19, 2010 - 6:57 PM
Well, I would disagree with 'to each his own'.
Science is the study of reality... Religion is sheer blind faith...
Science can take you from 1 to 2 and beyond.. Religion assumes the next answer without evidence for it.
The only reason one might say 'to each his own' is that he has noticed there are some very prominent ideas in his culture and that most people subscribe to one of them.
Don't confuse science with another religion.
The truth (the observable truth) is, that science is real, science is everything we know... Religion has no basis in reality, and when it does, it's often proven wrong.
The onus is most certainly on religion to make itself known.
If people had forgotten religion, would a messiah come down and 'spread the word' again, or would everything continue as it always has? What is clear, scientifically, is that removing religious ideas has no bearing on the state of reality.
Of course we don't have all questions answered, but science agrees that blind faith is foolish. Theories are proven through evidence, and often one tiny step at a time.. No one in science is claiming to know the answers to everything..... but they do know that the answers can be realized! Religion scorns nonbelievers or those who would question it, while science is all questions.
There's no contest here. Mysticism is an ancient relic of early human understanding.. We don't need it anymore.
Frankly I'm amazed at how many people seem to stop their line of questioning at 'god made it'.. because everything before that has an answer in their mind.. It's like their mind is only so wide and rather than allow an unknown factor, they fill it in with something completely crafted and unrelated.
One step at a time.. Keep an open mind.. Challenge everything.. Make no assumptions..
Science is the study of reality... Religion is sheer blind faith...
Science can take you from 1 to 2 and beyond.. Religion assumes the next answer without evidence for it.
The only reason one might say 'to each his own' is that he has noticed there are some very prominent ideas in his culture and that most people subscribe to one of them.
Don't confuse science with another religion.
The truth (the observable truth) is, that science is real, science is everything we know... Religion has no basis in reality, and when it does, it's often proven wrong.
The onus is most certainly on religion to make itself known.
If people had forgotten religion, would a messiah come down and 'spread the word' again, or would everything continue as it always has? What is clear, scientifically, is that removing religious ideas has no bearing on the state of reality.
Of course we don't have all questions answered, but science agrees that blind faith is foolish. Theories are proven through evidence, and often one tiny step at a time.. No one in science is claiming to know the answers to everything..... but they do know that the answers can be realized! Religion scorns nonbelievers or those who would question it, while science is all questions.
There's no contest here. Mysticism is an ancient relic of early human understanding.. We don't need it anymore.
Frankly I'm amazed at how many people seem to stop their line of questioning at 'god made it'.. because everything before that has an answer in their mind.. It's like their mind is only so wide and rather than allow an unknown factor, they fill it in with something completely crafted and unrelated.
One step at a time.. Keep an open mind.. Challenge everything.. Make no assumptions..
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Posted Apr 19, 2010 - 7:51 PM
Point taken.
But I still don't see an ultimate answer. There is no proof of God not existing, and a disregard for the limitations of observable science persists. We get nowhere on either side. It's still simply one person's belief against another's. Just because we can prove germs exist with a microscope doesn't mean we've thus explained away the existence of a God.
After all the scientific endeavors of the modern age, no human being can accurately describe what a strawberry tastes like to somebody who has never tasted one. So does that mean strawberries don't exist? Science can't even prove that age-old question as to IF we really exist outside of our own consciousness (philosophy 101 throwback). It can't be proven, so do we even exist? Somehow, science glosses over these facts in their arguments against the existence of a God. Science can identify taste receptors and tell us how a synapse functions, but if I've never tasted a strawberry, what good is science to me then? I can see brain-wave activity mapped real-time because of science, but I can't definitively prove that I'm not in the matrix and this is all computer generated.
The unexplainable is around us all day but we don't care about it, until it comes down to religion.
But I still don't see an ultimate answer. There is no proof of God not existing, and a disregard for the limitations of observable science persists. We get nowhere on either side. It's still simply one person's belief against another's. Just because we can prove germs exist with a microscope doesn't mean we've thus explained away the existence of a God.
After all the scientific endeavors of the modern age, no human being can accurately describe what a strawberry tastes like to somebody who has never tasted one. So does that mean strawberries don't exist? Science can't even prove that age-old question as to IF we really exist outside of our own consciousness (philosophy 101 throwback). It can't be proven, so do we even exist? Somehow, science glosses over these facts in their arguments against the existence of a God. Science can identify taste receptors and tell us how a synapse functions, but if I've never tasted a strawberry, what good is science to me then? I can see brain-wave activity mapped real-time because of science, but I can't definitively prove that I'm not in the matrix and this is all computer generated.
The unexplainable is around us all day but we don't care about it, until it comes down to religion.
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Posted Apr 20, 2010 - 6:51 AM
Good to see someone else chiming in!
I mentioned this in my posts. We seem to be on the same page, "what about the 10 bazillion questions science still can't answer?"
What if science proves that God exists? What if God is a giant dark matter space turtle?
I'm not sure if science can ever prove either way. Like we discussed earlier, there is always another question for every answer. For example if we finally discover that the big bang actually happened and it was caused by a "termulonimbus" (imaginary word) then the question becomes "what caused the "termulonimbus"?" and so on and so on forever and ever and ever.
Yup, that's probably what people should do. For some reason the general population of earth hasn't come to the same conclusion. Or if they have, they aren't able to adhere to it.
Religion (beliefs as you put it) has always been divisive. By its very nature, it begs the human psyche to defend it. Sitting back and being idle while another group vocalizes their beliefs (usually in spectacular, expensive, and grandiose fashion) that don't coincide with yours is hard enough when the belief is something so simple as "my football team is the best!" Imagine the resolve required to keep still when the belief is something so profound as "my definition of life, existence, and everything is the best!"
I would argue that we DO care about it, and that the "unexplainable" is, in fact, the raison d'etre (reason for being) for religion!
sudden death, on Apr 19, 2010 - 4:50 PM, said:
He explained that it is ultimately a theory at its core and that even if you assume it is true (like most professors do) it doesn't explain what was before the big bang.
I mentioned this in my posts. We seem to be on the same page, "what about the 10 bazillion questions science still can't answer?"
sudden death, on Apr 19, 2010 - 4:50 PM, said:
When science proves there is no God, then I will accept that there is not one.
What if science proves that God exists? What if God is a giant dark matter space turtle?
I'm not sure if science can ever prove either way. Like we discussed earlier, there is always another question for every answer. For example if we finally discover that the big bang actually happened and it was caused by a "termulonimbus" (imaginary word) then the question becomes "what caused the "termulonimbus"?" and so on and so on forever and ever and ever.
sudden death, on Apr 19, 2010 - 4:50 PM, said:
Thus, to each their own and people should be happy in their own beliefs as opposed to being so unhappy with the beliefs of others.
Yup, that's probably what people should do. For some reason the general population of earth hasn't come to the same conclusion. Or if they have, they aren't able to adhere to it.
Religion (beliefs as you put it) has always been divisive. By its very nature, it begs the human psyche to defend it. Sitting back and being idle while another group vocalizes their beliefs (usually in spectacular, expensive, and grandiose fashion) that don't coincide with yours is hard enough when the belief is something so simple as "my football team is the best!" Imagine the resolve required to keep still when the belief is something so profound as "my definition of life, existence, and everything is the best!"
sudden death, on Apr 19, 2010 - 4:50 PM, said:
The unexplainable is around us all day but we don't care about it, until it comes down to religion.
I would argue that we DO care about it, and that the "unexplainable" is, in fact, the raison d'etre (reason for being) for religion!
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sudden death, on Apr 19, 2010 - 7:51 PM, said:
(1)But I still don't see an ultimate answer. There is no proof of God not existing, and a disregard for the limitations of observable science persists. (2)We get nowhere on either side. It's still simply one person's belief against another's. (3)Just because we can prove germs exist with a microscope doesn't mean we've thus explained away the existence of a God.
1. So, if you can't get an ultimate answer, why are you making one up? Science does not claim to know the ultimate answer... Religion is. That's a problem, and not how progress is made.
2. You say science is getting no where, when it is in fact ALWAYS getting somewhere, as our understanding of the universe ever increases, Science is always moving forward.
... Religion stays remains motionless.
It's not one person's opinion against another. It's the study of reality with evidence versus sheer speculation with NO evidence. Science has not disproved god.. Let that be understood. But it has no reason to, until there is evidence to suggest it.
3. By proving germs exist with a microscope..... We've proved germs exist!
Whether god exists is irrelevant. Germs exist, and that's something worth celebrating!
Cid, on Apr 20, 2010 - 6:51 AM, said:
I mentioned this in my posts. We seem to be on the same page, "what about the 10 bazillion questions science still can't answer?"
We (humankind) answer them one at a time. And I'm sure there is an unlimited amount of questions to be answered... but we'll do what we can, as we are able.
Cid, on Apr 20, 2010 - 6:51 AM, said:
What if science proves that God exists? What if God is a giant dark matter space turtle?
There you go again
.. I just don't see why you would call that 'God'? You yourself, admit that there would be something before that... Would that be God too? It's very possible, or perhaps probable, that there is no start nor end. No one is calling the Big Bang the beginning of everything... But it seems to be the beginning of our known Universe.
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Posted Jun 7, 2010 - 8:31 PM
I am LDS, but I know there are some extreme members out there. Please don't let these people make you believe what being a mormon is. Yes, I only have one mom. In fact, polygamy was practiced for a very short time in my religion, and at the time was only practiced by 1% of the population. But for some reason, the reputation followed the religion.
Personally, I do not believe what religion you join or believe in determines where you go after this life. So many churches argue about dumb stupid things. Things we won't have proof of until we die anyway. I respect atheists but I also don't agree with them. I had a friend who told me this once, "The theory of evolution is for people who think outside the box." He meant that science was the only truth to anything and there is no god. I had to remind him that all the information he got from the theory of evolution was from a black box I call the TV. So who was thinking inside the box?
Personally, I think religion and science go hand in hand. I believe God works by natural law. What is natural law? Well we know some of it. Mathematics and science. We just don't have the means or the understanding to know everything about "natural law" but God does. And eventual we will understand it as well. But evolution, the big bang, etc... etc... all that stuff happened. But it was directed. If you look at the stages the earth went through to be able to sustain life as we know it, it was very deliberate. It was very... carefully constructed process, one tiny slip up and all life on this planet would have never existed. For millions of years this process was going. One tiny slip up in millions of years? Yeah, I don't trust random science that much.
I believe that it doesn't matter what you believe in. Some religions separate themselves by saying, "I believe we're saved by grace." Or "I believe we're saved by work." Being a Latter day saint, I believe we are all ultimately saved by grace. But we have to do the work to earn that grace. To me, doing the work means being a good person. Being a good neighbor, don't lie, don't cheat. Ultimately, we all fail in some regard. No one is perfect. But there is deep down in a person, a will to do good. There's also a lot of people that ignore that will. People who cheat on their spouses, lie, murder, steal. I don't think you are denied heaven just because you believe there is no God. That's just silly. I know God is a merciful God. He did not send us down here to prove we have an everlasting faith. He sent us down here to test whether or not we will do the right thing when tempted. For example, if you're atheist but gave your life to save another person or people, you get to heaven and because you weren't baptized that means you go to hell? I respectfully disagree with that idea. We are judged by our actions, not our faith. I truly believe our test of faith already happened, and that's why we are on this earth and not in hell.
Personally, I do not believe what religion you join or believe in determines where you go after this life. So many churches argue about dumb stupid things. Things we won't have proof of until we die anyway. I respect atheists but I also don't agree with them. I had a friend who told me this once, "The theory of evolution is for people who think outside the box." He meant that science was the only truth to anything and there is no god. I had to remind him that all the information he got from the theory of evolution was from a black box I call the TV. So who was thinking inside the box?
Personally, I think religion and science go hand in hand. I believe God works by natural law. What is natural law? Well we know some of it. Mathematics and science. We just don't have the means or the understanding to know everything about "natural law" but God does. And eventual we will understand it as well. But evolution, the big bang, etc... etc... all that stuff happened. But it was directed. If you look at the stages the earth went through to be able to sustain life as we know it, it was very deliberate. It was very... carefully constructed process, one tiny slip up and all life on this planet would have never existed. For millions of years this process was going. One tiny slip up in millions of years? Yeah, I don't trust random science that much.
I believe that it doesn't matter what you believe in. Some religions separate themselves by saying, "I believe we're saved by grace." Or "I believe we're saved by work." Being a Latter day saint, I believe we are all ultimately saved by grace. But we have to do the work to earn that grace. To me, doing the work means being a good person. Being a good neighbor, don't lie, don't cheat. Ultimately, we all fail in some regard. No one is perfect. But there is deep down in a person, a will to do good. There's also a lot of people that ignore that will. People who cheat on their spouses, lie, murder, steal. I don't think you are denied heaven just because you believe there is no God. That's just silly. I know God is a merciful God. He did not send us down here to prove we have an everlasting faith. He sent us down here to test whether or not we will do the right thing when tempted. For example, if you're atheist but gave your life to save another person or people, you get to heaven and because you weren't baptized that means you go to hell? I respectfully disagree with that idea. We are judged by our actions, not our faith. I truly believe our test of faith already happened, and that's why we are on this earth and not in hell.
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Bewoulf, on Jun 7, 2010 - 8:31 PM, said:
If you look at the stages the earth went through to be able to sustain life as we know it, it was very deliberate. It was very... carefully constructed process, one tiny slip up and all life on this planet would have never existed. For millions of years this process was going. One tiny slip up in millions of years? Yeah, I don't trust random science that much.
In light of growing evidence, I believe that life easily could have sprouted on earth "randomly" and without deliberate intervention. Evidence to support this includes: we have had at least a few "slip ups"... dinosaurs ruled the earth until they were wiped out by one such slip up. Every day we learn of new earth-like planets outside our solar system. Every day we learn of potential for life inside our solar system we didn't know of before. Titan and Gemini are two moons that come to mind. See this article: http://www.msnbc.msn..._science-space/ Also, you don't need to look that far or deep to witness how random and resilient life is... I found an old plastic cup under the couch the other day that had mold spores growing like crazy in it!
Bewoulf, on Jun 7, 2010 - 8:31 PM, said:
I don't think you are denied heaven just because you believe there is no God. That's just silly.
I like this idea and I think it is true. It seems counterproductive to damn a child from the start who is born into a family of atheists.
Bewoulf, on Jun 7, 2010 - 8:31 PM, said:
I know God is a merciful God.
I don't know much about Mormonism. Do Mormons believe in the Bible as well as the book of Mormon? I always find it interesting the difference between God in the Old Testament and God in the New Testament. In the New Testament, God was all lovey dovey and forgiveness and sacrificing his son etc. But in the Old Testament, God was anything but merciful. He was all plagues and pestilence and hellfire and brimstone. He destroyed cities left and right, and killed by the thousands those who didn't believe. He would flood the earth, spread the plagues, and then for entertainment he would place a bet with the devil about whether Job would keep his faith or not... and don't forget to sacrifice your children to make God happy etc etc...
Bewoulf, on Jun 7, 2010 - 8:31 PM, said:
He did not send us down here to prove we have an everlasting faith. He sent us down here to test whether or not we will do the right thing when tempted. For example, if you're atheist but gave your life to save another person or people, you get to heaven and because you weren't baptized that means you go to hell? I respectfully disagree with that idea. We are judged by our actions, not our faith.
I hope this is true. I know I/We tend to judge people on their actions and not on their faith. I don't know what God's criteria are. I DO know that most religions pretend that they know exactly how God casts judgement (and it usually involves being a member of said religion being looked upon favorably).
Bewoulf, on Jun 7, 2010 - 8:31 PM, said:
I truly believe our test of faith already happened, and that's why we are on this earth and not in hell.
So are we in heaven now? I'm not sure what you mean by this. That would be pretty cool... However, I think I should have more money and more women if this is heaven!
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Oh boy.
I'd like to start off by saying no, I don't believe in God. I do believe in one thing and it is a constant. Energy. EVERYTHING holds energy. If that be God then yes I believe in it. Although I doubt energy cares where we go or what we do.
There are a few things I'd like to point out. IF the bible were correct we were born of incest. Not once but TWICE. Some of God's "chosen" people were of the same stuff that God claims to detest. Now don't get me wrong, it is plausible that someone wrote down some fake stuff and whatnot. But lets be honest, it is religion that has brought about some of the most grotesque behavior to be deemed acceptable by people who's purpose it served at the time. Religion does have some good guidelines though. Don't steal, kill, sleep with your neighbors wife etc. These to me are just common sense. It creates problems no matter how you look at it. In reality though the bible is wrong on so many counts it's not even funny.
Lets say that God, the all powerful being created everything and told us we were not to believe in anything else and has been around from the beginning of all time to guide us. Where was God before all these religions stepped up to the plate? There is NO account for God or similar deities from 5 thousand years ago. People believed in nature and the power of nature. Which in reality affects everything. So all of a sudden, about 2000-3000 years ago or so, God decides to take an active role in the world that he created specifically for us? But anyway enough of that.
If the universe has a definite point and a definite end then how do we know? We measure what is out there by the light it gives. Who is to say that there isn't way more that we just can't see because it no longer gives off light? Whole galaxies swallowed up by black holes of the past. We accept the balloon theory because we don't know. According to scientists the sun shall explode in the future and create a black hole. Then the worlds that surround it will inevitably be drawn into it and our galaxy will be no more. Well, with the help of other black holes and whatnot. But in reality we only see black holes that give off light from the things they consume or by the paths of the objects caught in it's pull. It is completely plausible that ancient galaxies were swallowed up by a black hole along with every speck of light in it. We wouldn't know because we can't see it. Also, supposedly, the Big Bang is still banging. Personally I think science should get off their butts and send something toward these things to really see. Perhaps they already have. All world destruction aside though, we have nothing but time.
Also, Thomas Jefferson was wise. Maybe not about everything but he made some really good points and thought independently of judgement from peers which is more than I can say for the majority of people walking the earth today.
I'd like to start off by saying no, I don't believe in God. I do believe in one thing and it is a constant. Energy. EVERYTHING holds energy. If that be God then yes I believe in it. Although I doubt energy cares where we go or what we do.
There are a few things I'd like to point out. IF the bible were correct we were born of incest. Not once but TWICE. Some of God's "chosen" people were of the same stuff that God claims to detest. Now don't get me wrong, it is plausible that someone wrote down some fake stuff and whatnot. But lets be honest, it is religion that has brought about some of the most grotesque behavior to be deemed acceptable by people who's purpose it served at the time. Religion does have some good guidelines though. Don't steal, kill, sleep with your neighbors wife etc. These to me are just common sense. It creates problems no matter how you look at it. In reality though the bible is wrong on so many counts it's not even funny.
Lets say that God, the all powerful being created everything and told us we were not to believe in anything else and has been around from the beginning of all time to guide us. Where was God before all these religions stepped up to the plate? There is NO account for God or similar deities from 5 thousand years ago. People believed in nature and the power of nature. Which in reality affects everything. So all of a sudden, about 2000-3000 years ago or so, God decides to take an active role in the world that he created specifically for us? But anyway enough of that.
If the universe has a definite point and a definite end then how do we know? We measure what is out there by the light it gives. Who is to say that there isn't way more that we just can't see because it no longer gives off light? Whole galaxies swallowed up by black holes of the past. We accept the balloon theory because we don't know. According to scientists the sun shall explode in the future and create a black hole. Then the worlds that surround it will inevitably be drawn into it and our galaxy will be no more. Well, with the help of other black holes and whatnot. But in reality we only see black holes that give off light from the things they consume or by the paths of the objects caught in it's pull. It is completely plausible that ancient galaxies were swallowed up by a black hole along with every speck of light in it. We wouldn't know because we can't see it. Also, supposedly, the Big Bang is still banging. Personally I think science should get off their butts and send something toward these things to really see. Perhaps they already have. All world destruction aside though, we have nothing but time.
Also, Thomas Jefferson was wise. Maybe not about everything but he made some really good points and thought independently of judgement from peers which is more than I can say for the majority of people walking the earth today.
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Posted Aug 21, 2010 - 1:50 PM
These are a few of my beliefs.
God
Firsts things first. I don't think anyone can even begin to comprehend what god really is. The fact that main stream religion is so confident about God and the heavens is proof enough that they are full of s***. The best way I can describe what God is... I feel like God is a connection. A connection that we all have to each other and the universe. I'm not really sure if God is a conscious being that controls everything, but I am sure that there is some sort of cosmic energy that we are all linked to. Whether you wanna call that energy God is totally up to you.
Heaven and Hell
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell. I think the concept alone is just a ridiculous fairy tale meant to scare people into doing what God tells them to do without question. If you think about it no one deserves eternal damnation for not praying to God, stealing from another, or even committing murder. The real way to make someone understand that they've done something wrong is to teach them. If you punish someone for their wrong doing, all you're doing is creating more reason for hate and anger to build, and if all you're doing is burning right and wrong into a persons soul then that person will never really understand what right and wrong is. I don't really believe that death is the end, but if you think about it, the energy that is our soul must have come from somewhere, and when we die I feel that that energy will return to its origin, however I don't think that energy is a conscious energy without a vessel to be able to articulate those thoughts and feelings.
The Creation of Man
Now science has proven the theory of evolution to be true, however, for us to have evolved from our prehistoric ancestors, we shouldn't be where we are today. I actually favor the ancient Sumerian tale of creation. The Anunaki (Sumerian Gods) came to earth to mine gold. While on earth they came across a primitive race of primates. These primates, while capable of using tools, were not very articulate or smart. So the Anunaki used their own DNA to alter the genetic code of these primates, and thus created the human race. Now this part is NOT fact. People who have come into contact with species from other worlds say that they created the human race because it was how they were created by an extremely ancient species, and they felt it was necessary to keep that tradition going. Now I'm not sure if I believe that, but it is interesting.
Religion
I believe that in every religion there is truth. However, all the divinity in religion is absolute bull. I feel that religion was put into place to keep people from asking the important questions about the universe. However, I do believe that spirituality is very important. If a person can truly understand his/her self, then a person can begin to understand the way the universe works. Religion is just a tool to keep us all in the gutters.
God
Firsts things first. I don't think anyone can even begin to comprehend what god really is. The fact that main stream religion is so confident about God and the heavens is proof enough that they are full of s***. The best way I can describe what God is... I feel like God is a connection. A connection that we all have to each other and the universe. I'm not really sure if God is a conscious being that controls everything, but I am sure that there is some sort of cosmic energy that we are all linked to. Whether you wanna call that energy God is totally up to you.
Heaven and Hell
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell. I think the concept alone is just a ridiculous fairy tale meant to scare people into doing what God tells them to do without question. If you think about it no one deserves eternal damnation for not praying to God, stealing from another, or even committing murder. The real way to make someone understand that they've done something wrong is to teach them. If you punish someone for their wrong doing, all you're doing is creating more reason for hate and anger to build, and if all you're doing is burning right and wrong into a persons soul then that person will never really understand what right and wrong is. I don't really believe that death is the end, but if you think about it, the energy that is our soul must have come from somewhere, and when we die I feel that that energy will return to its origin, however I don't think that energy is a conscious energy without a vessel to be able to articulate those thoughts and feelings.
The Creation of Man
Now science has proven the theory of evolution to be true, however, for us to have evolved from our prehistoric ancestors, we shouldn't be where we are today. I actually favor the ancient Sumerian tale of creation. The Anunaki (Sumerian Gods) came to earth to mine gold. While on earth they came across a primitive race of primates. These primates, while capable of using tools, were not very articulate or smart. So the Anunaki used their own DNA to alter the genetic code of these primates, and thus created the human race. Now this part is NOT fact. People who have come into contact with species from other worlds say that they created the human race because it was how they were created by an extremely ancient species, and they felt it was necessary to keep that tradition going. Now I'm not sure if I believe that, but it is interesting.
Religion
I believe that in every religion there is truth. However, all the divinity in religion is absolute bull. I feel that religion was put into place to keep people from asking the important questions about the universe. However, I do believe that spirituality is very important. If a person can truly understand his/her self, then a person can begin to understand the way the universe works. Religion is just a tool to keep us all in the gutters.
