[Cid]

This has been touched on (danced around) briefly in two other weapons threads, but hasn't been discussed outright so I thought I'd start a thread.

Is FFXIV going to be one-weapon-one-job?!?!?!


In FFXI, each job had a choice between at least a couple weapons. For example, I played a DRK and I could use a scythe or a 2 handed sword. The scythe was the "class weapon" but I like swords sooo much better than scythes so I would use a sword unless the stats on the scythe were just too good.


In FFXIV, if I switch from my scythe to a broadsword, is that going to change my job from Dark Knight to Gladiator?? How is this stuff going to work? Or will it mean I switch from DPS Dark Knight to Enfeebling Magic Dark Knight? Or will it not make any difference?


What do you guys suspect will happen??

[Nestorm]

My guess is that one weapon could be used in a few jobs, but with penalties.
For example with DRK:

Lets say the could use either, scythes, Two handed swords and 2 handed axes, being the scythe the "native" weapon for DRK, 2H swords for gladiators (GLA) and 2H axes for another warrior class (WAR).
My guess would be that the stats a DRK would get from the different weapons could be something like:

Scythe = A
2H Sword = B
2H Axe = C

being A > B > C

At the same time lets say that Scythes and 2H swords could be used by both DRK and GLA but the stats for GLA could be like:

Scythe = B
2H Sword = A

So, what could all this mean? Its basically like a subjob! For example if im using a Scythe i'd have access to all the abilities from the DRK "job" and maybe half or whatever B means from the GLA "job" with the proper stats and adjustements. Naturally getting access to all the abilities from a weapon right away is kinda easy so if i were SE id make it like if you wanna unlock the GLA abilities for the Scythe you would need to do it first with a 2H Sword (cause its the GLA's native weapon)

Well with all this guessing i just hyped myself too much LOL so im just gonna stop here but yeah... id like to see something like this cause its still similar to FFXI

[Momotaru]

Mmm... Sounds interesting, but I get a stronger impression that the weapon type you're holding directly defines your class and using said weapon is the only way to increase your skills in that class.

And because they seem to be promoting the use and experience with more than one weapon type (see the official site description on the armoury system), I almost feel like you might be able to tie gear to weapon types. So if you switch from sword (Gladiator) to staff (Thaumaturge), your gear/armour will automatically change.. otherwise, you really wouldn't be able to change jobs on the fly effectively, as XIV so proudly promotes.

[bd4]

the new system will give each class its own uniqueness. in FFXI a warrior would be seen with anything with an edge and wearing whatever armor they could get their hands on with the best def. so a WAR, DRK and other classes all look the same in a fight minus a few ablilites. then sub jobs brought this down further be warrior being the thank class not being used because all they wanted was provoke so palidin and ninja took over the tank.

in the new system if you look at a group i hopw to see a clear cut diffrence between the classes at any lv.

[Quinn]

ooooo yikes never thought about this...I hope they have jobs like ninja and they allow dual weld weapons..

I was always a nin tank with shadows up it was easy to tank but ninja was one of my fav jobs as you dual wield weapons.. (though yes I was a BLU you could also dual wield also)...I need a job with dual weapons!! lol so I really hope they do that, when I played war or drk I would always use great sword etc just to be different but you had to wait ages for your next hit because of the delay...with nin dual wield weapons it wasn't long before you were hitting again heheh...yeh take that mob!!

[bd4]

Quinn, on Mar 10, 2010 - 1:43 AM, said:

ooooo yikes never thought about this...I hope they have jobs like ninja and they allow dual weld weapons..

I was always a nin tank with shadows up it was easy to tank but ninja was one of my fav jobs as you dual wield weapons.. (though yes I was a BLU you could also dual wield also)...I need a job with dual weapons!! lol so I really hope they do that, when I played war or drk I would always use great sword etc just to be different but you had to wait ages for your next hit because of the delay...with nin dual wield weapons it wasn't long before you were hitting again heheh...yeh take that mob!!

a ninja class will have dual weapons the thread is more about the fact that you are limited to one type of weapon
so ninja will only use an assassin blade. i am nervous because i have yet to see a thief or ninja inspired class i hope it will be in the release it wouldnt make sense to start without one.

[Cid]

Quinn, on Mar 10, 2010 - 1:43 AM, said:

I hope they have jobs like ninja and they allow dual weld weapons..

Yeah, I was thinking more like:
"Gawsh I want to be a Marauder, but I don't like axes and there is no other optional weapon! If I equip my favorite Greatsword, I become a Hamburgler and I don't like that class!"
In other words, will the gladiator class be limited to swords only, or can it use a sword or a mace?


Quinny brings up an interesting point though, what happens if you duel wield two different weapons? Does that make you half gladiator half ninja? I'm so confused as to how they are going to handle this!

[Kain]

And what happens if i equip a wand?? do I become a fairy princess??

[Momotaru]

Kain, on Mar 10, 2010 - 10:11 AM, said:

And what happens if i equip a wand?? do I become a fairy princess??

Only if you're fabulous.

Otherwise, you become an all powerful sorcerer.



For everyone relying on my astounding intuition , I am closing the gap on the topic at hand, and feel an even stronger reality for one weapon per class gameplay. I would say a 92% certainty..

[armyofbear136]

Momotaru, on Mar 10, 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

I am closing the gap on the topic at hand, and feel an even stronger reality for one weapon per class gameplay. I would say a 92% certainty..

Although I have a fear you may be right, I also have an feeling you may be able to 'designate' a primary weapon for a job or perhaps have multiple versions of the same job you would have to level? That would create a sort of multi-spec which seems favorable. Or maybe its similar to how you would level a weapon skill in FFXI... Perhaps I'm wrong, but that just seems like the logical way of doing things.

[Momotaru]

The only reason I would see multiple versions of the same job as a possibility is if you could indeed customize/evolve your job's skills in a variety of ways as we discussed in another thread.

If that's true, then it's possible.. but wouldn't necessarily be so, as I don't think your skills are tied to a single weapon, but a weapon type. If all that were so, you could have more than one set of skills for the same class.. though it wouldn't be tied to a specific weapon, would it? Not unless your weapon is stays with you from beginning to end, and changes it's look based on skill level rather than substituting it out for a stronger version of the same weapon type. Hm, this is really a different topic entirely.

Potential evidence for the multi-weapon theory is in a screenshot I've posted a few times that show extremely similar looking mages, one holding what may be a different weapon type...


If that's a handheld weapon, it supports multiweapon theory. If it's a staff with the shaft obscured, I'd still be convinced in single weapon theory.

And, while I don't think this next example is in the same class, there's also that other mage, not wearing the Thaumaturge gown, that casts a protective bubble around herself/party members. This person seems to have a different weapon type from the apparent Thaumaturges.


It'll all become clear as new info rains upon us!

[Control]

I really think single weapon types per "job" is exactly what is going to happen. A two handed sword doesn't make you a DRK, a scythe does. Imo there is nothing dark and sinister about a two handed sword, it just means you want to focus on striking and not protecting. Jobs are based on equipment, not the other way around this time. So if you equip a fire scythe you would (in theory) become more like the DRK you know and love, but if you swap that for an Ice Great sword, then you have given up your other worldly powers in favor of some more down to earth striking techniques revolving around skewering the scary things.

[deadplayer]

I dont believe.

[Quinn]

deadplayer, on Mar 11, 2010 - 1:04 AM, said:

I dont believe.

Sorry what don't you believe? I can't actually tell what your saying you don't believe to.

[Quinn]

Cid, on Mar 10, 2010 - 8:44 AM, said:

Yeah, I was thinking more like:
"Gawsh I want to be a Marauder, but I don't like axes and there is no other optional weapon! If I equip my favorite Greatsword, I become a Hamburgler and I don't like that class!"
In other words, will the gladiator class be limited to swords only, or can it use a sword or a mace?


Quinny brings up an interesting point though, what happens if you duel wield two different weapons? Does that make you half gladiator half ninja? I'm so confused as to how they are going to handle this!

you called me Quinny again ...I wonder if they will even let you dual wield 2 different types of weapons...I'm as confused about this as you are Cid.