[Val]

By making this thread, I'm not looking for sympathy or the phrase "Go see a doctor". I'm also in no way expecting everyone that reads this in it's entirety to believe a single word of it. Those that think it's a load of nonsence; IT IS, HAHA! Hope you enjoyed peeking into the mad imagination of the Ever Whimsicle Val!

Those that will take the time to read it and think there's a chance it might actually be serious.. please help if you can... I don't know if it is serious or not.. I'm really hoping its not, but there might be a chance... In the 'Ghosts...' thread (link >Here<) I mentioned something I dubbed as 'Night Tremors'. Now this problem isn't connected with ghosts (or maybe it could be?) but I'll explain exactly what they are here.

I'm not sure if this thread should go here by the way >_> Maybe we need a personal issues forum..?



Everything I know about my 'Night Tremors':

My Night Tremors only occur when I am trying to get to sleep and whilst I am lying on my back. In all of my experinces, these are always two things are always consistant.

The very first time I experienced it I was six and was sleeping in my mother's bed beside her.

Symptoms Include - The ones that occur everytime and which I define the tremors by:


- body becomes immobile. I am not able to move any part of my body besides my eyes.
- Senses don't work as they should. I am unable to hear clearly, the sound I hear is very similar to when driving fast in a car and you open

the window slightly, also vision becomes blurred and body becomes slightly numb and speech impossible.
- Skin becomes very warm.
- Incapable of breathing properly.

and usually:-
- lasts between 30 seconds to up to a minute each time.
- happens every other week, though can happen more than once a night. (record was 9 times in one night- when it happens more then twice, you instictively keep count)


Now, Ive been suffering from these since I was 6, that's 15 years and I'm not dead yet (I hope) so I do have about Three conflicting theories about what it could be... The reason I am making this thread, however, Is because of the Night Tremor I had last night (well, this morning at 7am; I checked my phone right after it) which was completely different (and more vicious) that any Tremor Ive experienced in the past. It really worried me as it was the first time I've panicked during one of the Tremors in years.

When I was alot younger, I used to believe that it was ghosts grabing hold of me. when I was younger, I thought I saw ghosts very often, though since I have denied myself that I had actually seen any, puting it down to being scared of the dark, and have remained skeptical even after the incedent last month (which I explained in the 'Ghosts...' thread) I've always had more faith in my other theories, but after last night, it's back in the running.

For a while now Ive been able to feel them coming on, as they usually follow these short dizzying spells where if feels as though my vision/head is moving forward and back rapidly though I'm not moving-- This, ive been led to believe, is quite common and I actually find it somewhat enjoyable xD - when ever it it happens, I get an image condured up of a dirty white window frame that looked into the kitchen of a childhood friends house.. no idea why.. When I feel the tremor coming on, I remain still till it hits and put all my effort and focus into moving my fingers, and then my feet whilst staying as calm as I can until the Tremor ends. Last nights one was completely different however and is the reason Im writing this, I'll explain it in the Ghost Theory.


Those that are still reading this, thank you. I'm asking for help... the type of help I need is if there is anything you have heard or read that sounds even remotely similar to what I have described. If you could ask people you know if they have heard/read anything like this that might help also! I will not go to the doctors with this as last time I needed them they failed me at every stage and I could have died if i tried to trust them further. I also refuse to take medication, which Im sure that is all they will try to give me. This may be nothing if my favourite theory is correct... But if it's something else it could be fatal...



My first theory was - Ghosts

As I said, when I was younger I used to believe in ghosts and aliens... my 'sightings' ranged from my nan to some of the friends I had lost when I was younger.. aswell as this red eyed thing (in year 3 of primary school) that tapped me on the shoulder as I was facing the wall and then hid under my bed as I turned over.. but I now believe it was my brother and my imagination had painted the red eyes on to him.

Now, when my Tremors started and the heat/burning sensation (usually on my face and shoulders) kicks in.. I used to think it was somethings breath or presence and also -through my blurred vision- thought that I had someone stood over me and the fact I couldn't move made me believe that i was being held... After I thought about it rationally (and after years of it happening) I thought it was something other than ghosts, so I started being able to remain calm during the episodes.

Last month I stayed at my friend's (Laura) house and we shared the bed and I saw (what I believe to have been) a ghost at my feet, sat there looking at me with his arm outstretched- placing it on my leg. the reason I stayed there was because we had a meeting in the morning and she lives a two minute walk away. I have since spoken to her mother who said "I'm glad somebody else has seen it" she claims to have seen it a few times and has namd it albert, she even claimed it to have thrown her boyfriend down the stairs twice, though he hasn't seen it.

Last night my tremor was different in that my vision and hearing remained perfect. I stayed at her house again last night, but wasn't with her as her boyfriend lives there now (it's not as complicated or scandalous as it may sound xD) So I was on the couch downstairs with the light on. I stayed because - again- we had a meeting this morning. All was well, I finally got to sleep on the couch that only lets you roll one way. I woke quite early and was so uncomfortable.. I was able to get on my back and regain a little comfort and then suddenly, without warning, the Tremor hit. This was different as I could see and hear, but still couldn't speak. usually my body freezes up and I cant move my fingers or feet (so i use them to consentrate on) but I could move them fine, It was my head and my torso + legs I couldn't move. I felt no weight upon me, but I could on my neck as though I was being strangled and my arms couldn't move from my chest, though I tried.

It lasted about 3 minutes before I was able to move again and the first thing i did was check my clock on my phone.. Now whether this was a Tremor or some sort of ghost attack, im not sure.. in a way i hope it was a ghost attack as I don't want my tremors to turn in that direction....


with that happening, it makes me have less faith in my favourite Theory: Dreams

Ive always questioned whether or not the Tremors are real or not. As I said, they only happen when Im on my back trying to get to sleep. Maybe the Night Tremors are just very brief vivid nightmares... this is what I really hope for... I used to believe there was something standing over me... could have just dreamed the whole thing? every single time--- things that makes me fear this isn't the case is.. Im awake before and after it happens, in the same position as I am when the Tremor takes place, and during -from what I can see- Im still in the room I was in when it started. Like last night I was in laura's living room, I could see a painting hanging above me and when It happened. When I had a night Tremor whilst staying at my friend Brendon's house, I could move my eyes enough to see him sleeping in his bed. Things that make me believe it is a dream is the sound, Its like a stock recording from my memories of being in a car - when we used to drive 200+ miles every other week to see my nan in London. also it feels, sometimes, as though I can move my arms slightly more than I can physically see them moving (like last night for example... I felt as though I could push them upwards but couldn't see them lifting from my chest..) I don't want to lose my faith in that they are just really dream but... I don't believe in ghosts enouth to believe the first theory... so I'm worried it might be the last...


The only other thing I can think of causing these Night Tremors is: A Brain Tumour

Or some other problem with my brain or body...like a form of epilepsy?

I don't have much else to say on this matter, but... It feels real... I'm sure there is definately a problem.. and Im worried.....



I'm the unflinching emotionless boy that is quiet and possibly Autistic and Diabetic... I keep to myself and rarely let anyone [in the real world] see me lose my calm composure. I keep my anger and happiness out of veiw and only seek minimal pleasure for myself. My family have scattered and there isn't anyone i trust any more, I've lost faith in the health services. I'm alone and I think I might be in trouble.. help?



Edit: Lol.. I actually cried a little whilst typing this... I don't think I even know myself any more xD

This post has been edited by Val: Mar 10, 2010 - 6:00 PM

[Momotaru]

Alright Val, I read the whole thing.

That's an unfortunate series of events, and for this to consistently happen must be difficult.


I'm going to have to do exactly what you wished I wouldn't, and that is suggest you go see a doctor. Not THE Doctor, but some other doctor. I think most people can admit to having a bad experience with a specific doctor... but certainly you can't decide never to visit a doctor again. You go to another one. You go from doctor to doctor until you find one who's familiar with the symptoms and whom you can trust.

If you don't do that, you're a fool. You need to see someone about this.


Also, it's not ghosts, and I doubt it's a dream, but it probably activates by or is associated to parts of your brain that either dream, or deal with the senses.
Given the right tools, I could play with your brain and make you see and feel things that would defy logic and reason... Your brain is involved in this, and it's not supernatural.



From my opinion, it sounds like you might suffer from some form of seizures that trigger during certain conditions. But again, you need to seek the opinion of not just a single professional, but many.


I also recommend you type some of your symptoms into a search engine and see what you can find. If you have the problem, there's a good chance many others do as well, and I'd lay money down that there's at least one strong community of those sharing your symptoms.


Also, don't doubt yourself. You know who you are, you're just suffering from some odd quirk.. everyone has a unique issue with themselves, their mind and body.
Again, I can't stress enough that you need to find someone who can diagnose these tremors. If you don't find someone to help you (and there is clearly reason to be concerned) you aren't going to find relief.


..And I think most people would agree. Go see a professional. They can't make you do anything you don't want to, so you have nothing to lose. I'd start by researching your symptoms so you're better equipped to articulate your condition. If you start talking about ghosts, and mean it, all you'll get is a psychological drugs and psychiatrist recommendations.

Okay? Take care of yourself by heeding my opinion, please.

[Val]

Thank you Momo. I have done searches in the past and the best I could come up with was some form of epilepsy... though I would need someone to clarify-- But I can't do it.

Whilst I was growing up, my family were all open and [nearly] no subject was taboo in the house... the only thing we couldn't talk about was major problems with ourselves.. My mother would always stop the conversation dead saying "there's nothing wrong with my boys!"

(I had just wrote a long post about how I was failed, but deleted it.. I'm not comfortable with putting my sob story on the internet.. Jist is, wasn't a doctor that let me down, but the system set in place to 'protect' me which left me suicidal with my job taken away and temporaraly homeless. My dog died also, which didn't help.. Sabre <3)

I cant go back to another waiting room and queue up to see another false smile. Like any other ailment i may get, I'll just have to live with it. though I think I should go dentist.. think I'll need a filling soon >_>





I only Listed Ghosts as a theory because it was what I believed until I was about 11-12... thourght it would be funny to include and when you really have no idea... could be anything... though It is strange the nature of the tremor last night and the 'sighting' exactly one month ago.. the only difference was i was alone this time...



I do agree with everything you've said, It's not ghosts and its not likely to just be a dream... there is something that triggers it and it must be some form of seizure... but I just cant go to the doctors... thre are other things I need to visit him for aswell, such as a diabetes test (which it's quite likely due to my physical health and my family on my fathers side..) as well as seeing if they can diagnose what level of autism I have (I'm Autistic with out a doubt, but to what level im unsure... prob not to a great extent as Ive survived this long unaided..)



Momo, thank you for replying and thanks to those that took the time to read it. If anyone else has heard of anything similar or even suffers from something similar, post or maybe even drop me a PM?



I really don't want to be scared of them again... i sleep with a small light on now =[

[davidlionheart]

Val good old buddy!!! Im here for ya!

I have a few theories to tell you about from what you wrote.

Some of the symptoms of what you wrote, ive read them somewhere else, i dont know if you have ever heard of sleep paralysis. From what i hear is not that umcommon a whole bunch of people experience them.

Ghosts ghosts ghosts, I myself have never seen one, but i cant discard the possibility of some being real. One thing that struck me about the red eyes that you said, as crazy as i may sound, it looks like it could be a shadow person. They are transparent like creatures with red eyes. I would have a hard time believing this but my cousin had a similar experience where he saw red eyes on a really dark room. Ever since ive read up on it, and they are called shadow people.

I can understand what you are going through since i have myself gone through, a really bad personal experience. You have to surround yourself with people that can help you in time of need, you cant build walls around yourself, people you can trust, they dont have to be family. You can't take on the world just by yourself.

Van, you need a fighting spirit, i know what its like to feel hopeless. If i can help in any way just ask me. I'll be here for you bud.

[Val]

Thank you Davidlionheart! I didn't actually look sleep paralysis up when I read you post but, after randomly browsing the interwebs (not even thinking of it) I came across something known as "Old Hag Syndrome" which sounded very similar... I googled it and then went on the wiki link to Sleep Paralysis.. and I think this may actually be the cause!


Heres the wiki link: >Here<



Few things from the article I would like to quote:

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Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain awakes from a REM state, but the body paralysis persists. This leaves the person fully conscious, but unable to move. The paralysis can last from several seconds to several minutes "after which the individual may experience panic symptoms and the realization that the distorted perceptions were false".

This is exactly what it is like!

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In addition, the paralysis state may be accompanied by terrifying hallucinations (hypnopompic or hypnagogic) and an acute sense of danger.[8] Sleep paralysis is particularly frightening to the individual because of the vividness of such hallucinations.[7] The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects (often described as looking distinctly demonic by those who experience the paralysis)[citation needed] may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision.

This is why I had the theory it might be a dream.. afterwords it feels like it didn't happen, as there is no pain and it just seems dream like... also, as I think I said.. when I was younger if went as though someone was stood above me but I couldn't see them...

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Many perceptions associated with sleep paralysis (visceral buzzing, loud sounds, adrenal mental state, presences, and the paralysis itself) also constitute a common phase in the early progression of episodes referred to as out of body experiences.

would explain the noise I hear..



I cant believe I have a name for My Night Tremors.. Though.. Night Tremors is a better name.. Ill stick with it... I wonder why I suffer from it so often though..? ~~~~ this doesn't explain why I was choked last tuesday.... :S

This post has been edited by Val: Mar 16, 2010 - 5:47 PM

[Momotaru]

Excellent! This is really good news!

Don't stop now. Keep investigating until all your questions have been answered, and you find treatment.

[Eorzea]

I get that you don't like doctors, but have you considered undergoing a sleep study?

[Saeryne]

I hope you do not mind me posting to this old thread but can I ask - do you still have these? If they happen while relaxed/quiet I have a fair idea what it sounds like. Sleep paralyis being the first step.

Sleep paralysis is COMPLETELY normal and we all have it. Its our bodies way of shutting down so we do not act out our dream while asleep ie sleepwalkers. If you relax enough and not move it can trick the brain into thinking you are alseep and it begins that shutdown. It is common to wake up before your body does also.

Ah just read more - out of body experiances. This is what I immediately thought of when I read your first post. To have an OBE from being awake, paralysis is the first step. The feeling of moving whilst not moving is your 'astral' self attempting to leave the body. The buzzing and heat is the energy it takes to actually move.

If you can get started to have one of these while awake you are extrememly luckly. All this is natural and usually happens whle we are asleep so you do not notice it.

You fall asleep - body shuts down - you OBE. All you notice is the being awake then suddenly you are dreaming. Then again not everyone remembers there dreams.

This post has been edited by Saeryne: Jun 28, 2010 - 7:43 AM

[Siali]

Saeryne, on Jun 28, 2010 - 7:35 AM, said:

Ah just read more - out of body experiances. This is what I immediately thought of when I read your first post. To have an OBE from being awake, paralysis is the first step. The feeling of moving whilst not moving is your 'astral' self attempting to leave the body. The buzzing and heat is the energy it takes to actually move.

If you can get started to have one of these while awake you are extrememly luckly. All this is natural and usually happens whle we are asleep so you do not notice it.

You fall asleep - body shuts down - you OBE. All you notice is the being awake then suddenly you are dreaming. Then again not everyone remembers there dreams.

So did I. I have these all the time, I travel while asleep, especially if I miss someone that is far away I'll try to reach them and not always with success, if they are sleeping as well I think it's easier. My step mother has told me she knows when I am upset because things that used to belong to me fall down from shelves or the like.. That's just me directing my thoughts her way. Presences are very powerful and not all ghosts you see are dead people. Some are just dreaming as you are.

When we sleep our souls naturally hover above our bodies, unless you are a traveler and can go further, paralysis probably occurs because you're not completely back in your body yet.

So I recommend talking to someone familiar with soul traveling, the first step to finding someone like that depends on where you live, you may not be religious but I even recommend going to church, it's amazing what churches of all cultures have for information on stuff like this. Of course I'm not saying to discount medical consultation but to me this is more to do with your astral self then your physical self.

I'd love an update on this, how are you doing?

[Val]

Thank you both for replys to this old thread.. Nice to know people care xD

Saeryne, on Jun 28, 2010 - 7:35 AM, said:

I hope you do not mind me posting to this old thread but can I ask - do you still have these?

Yes I still have them, but they pass by quickly as I know not to panic. they havn't been hitting as often as they were which is good news.

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If they happen while relaxed/quiet I have a fair idea what it sounds like. Sleep paralyis being the first step. Sleep paralysis is COMPLETELY normal and we all have it. Its our bodies way of shutting down so we do not act out our dream while asleep ie sleepwalkers. If you relax enough and not move it can trick the brain into thinking you are alseep and it begins that shutdown. It is common to wake up before your body does also.

It's true that many people have experienced them, though most will only suffer from them once or twice in their life time. What made me worry so much was that I was experiencing it 4-5 times a month.. sometimes more. I'm glad it stops me acting out my dreams.. I have some crazy ones xD Is it weird that recently ive been remembering my dreams more and more vividly :S

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Ah just read more - out of body experiances. This is what I immediately thought of when I read your first post. To have an OBE from being awake, paralysis is the first step. The feeling of moving whilst not moving is your 'astral' self attempting to leave the body. The buzzing and heat is the energy it takes to actually move.If you can get started to have one of these while awake you are extrememly luckly. All this is natural and usually happens whle we are asleep so you do not notice it.You fall asleep - body shuts down - you OBE. All you notice is the being awake then suddenly you are dreaming. Then again not everyone remembers there dreams.

While I have experienced something I would call an OBE, I don't think it ties with my Sleep Paralysis. My experience was that everything went warm and I got out of my bed and walked to my doorway, (My 'door' is a large door-less archway that leads into my brothers room, though he doesn't live here any more.. I have to do through that room to get to the hallway.) and I could sense something at the other side of my brothers room. I realised that I was obviously dreaming and I turned around and saw my self sleeping. I started shouting at myself to wake up, that things where about to get bad and I wouldn't wake up. So.. I started hitting myself to wake up, all the while feeling something approaching behind me. then as I was shouting, I could sort of here what I was shouting echo. I woke up... with a black eye and a swollen lip. That Might not be an OBE but rather, SSA... (Sleeping self abuse)

My friend laura claims to have had an OBE.. She said she was relaxing in her room and her mind travelled to her boyfriends (now Fiancée) James' house and she was leaning on him while they were watching TV. they were talking and James was stroking her hair and they were there for about 30 minutes. Laura snapped out of the day dream cause she had things to do and I minute or two later, James called saying, "I know this might sound weird, but for the last half hour.. I thought you were here cuddling up to me as we watched TV" And laura was like OMG.. she went on to tell him what they watched and what was said and James said it was all right. Im not sure if the story is true or not but they both claim it as true and I've no reason to not believe them.

Siali, on Jun 28, 2010 - 8:14 AM, said:

So did I. I have these all the time, I travel while asleep, especially if I miss someone that is far away I'll try to reach them and not always with success, if they are sleeping as well I think it's easier. My step mother has told me she knows when I am upset because things that used to belong to me fall down from shelves or the like.. That's just me directing my thoughts her way.

Wow, sounds pretty cool, though I doubt I know anyone alive that I could attempt to reach like that. Not many left that I have that sort of connection too xD

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Presences are very powerful and not all ghosts you see are dead people. Some are just dreaming as you are. When we sleep our souls naturally hover above our bodies, unless you are a traveler and can go further, paralysis probably occurs because you're not completely back in your body yet.

It would be a nice thought, though I don't think I believe in Souls and i'm still a skeptic when it comes to ghosts/spirits. I think the Sleep Paralysis is just me waking up when my body isn't ready too.

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So I recommend talking to someone familiar with soul travelling, the first step to finding someone like that depends on where you live, you may not be religious but I even recommend going to church, it's amazing what churches of all cultures have for information on stuff like this. Of course I'm not saying to discount medical consultation but to me this is more to do with your astral self then your physical self. I'd love an update on this, how are you doing?

I dislike doctors of any kind and Churches make me cranky ~ I only go when there's a funeral I must go too =[ .. Might not be a nice thing to say but I think my nan is getting close.

Actually, speaking of death.. I had a dream last night that I was death... then when I tuned on my laptop, I felt strangely compelled to look at my at my photos... I noticed that, Sabre(My dog), Gracie (Laura's cat), Smokey(Judy's cat) and Nancy (Adams bearded dragon)... I took lots of photos of them all the day before their deaths.. With the exception of Sabre, It was the only time I had felt the need to take pictures of them... It was weird when I realised it >_> though I guess it could be coincidence.. they all said "did you know they were going to die?" and obviously I didn't but.. weird..




But yeah!!! Im getting better, thank you for asking =D

[Saeryne]

I would not describe them as being 'suffered'. Many people including me would love to have that level of natural talent that you have. I have been to the Realtime a few times and astral once and I can confirm is it REAL. Once you are there in the astral you just know, it feels more real then the physical.

If it is indeed this, I ENCOURAGE you to learn and achieve it yourself it is amazing once you fully achieve a projection into the astral. Once you can you can literaly do anything, vist the past/future of the physical (as there is no such thing as time). Is it said there is a vast libary there that records EVERYTHING, you can learn about your past lives, world even universe history.

If you dont want to talk to doctors/churchs there is a good website on astral travel and other metaphysical things you might want to look at. www.astralpulse.com. Its a forum really, many people trying to project and these people on this forum are people who are self taught and have been doing it for years or are learning to. They are not doctors and religion is not brought into it as its not labeled as being specifc to any religion.

Many people have a natural talent for it and like yourself can slip easily. While paralysis and projection are not the same, your body needs to be in a like-paralysis state for it to occur. The paraylsis, heat moving but not is akin to walking to the front door, all you have to do next is open is and walk out.

I have been researching astral for a few years and have manage to achieve it once. Yours to me sounds like you did indeed leave your body, hence why it was laying there. In general it wouldnt be there in a dream.

The theory is that when you fall asleep you project automatically. Remember not everyone can remember dreams and the more you practice it is possible to remember them and go on to control them and eventual to break free of them.

Your sub concious creates the dream around you which most people can not break out of. I like to explain it in a way that you suddenly find yourself on a stage (astral) mid play (the play being the dream). You are in costume and the play is mid flow around you. If you are not lucid you carry out your role, reading your script and you know what the story is about, rather like seeing yourself in third person/watching a movie. If you are lucid, you literally wake up on that stage. You can take control rather then being forced to play your role.

What you experianced was that you had fallen asleep but instead of going into a dream and being conrtolled, you just ended up out of your body and completely aware ie. Lucid. Your concious was in control rather then being asleep with your body and your sub concious never created the dream.

In theory there are several layers of existances - 7 in all. Humans are able to generally go into the first three. 1) physical - where we are now 2) etheral aka Real Time 3) astral (sleep)

The astral has no shape or form and our mind perceives it in ways that are individual for everyone. In my case I saw everything in colours/heat, rather like the Predator from the films.

What I think you were in was the etheric aka Real time (you go through the realtime to get to the astral). It is called realtime as it is so close to the physical that is reflects the phyisical world. If you where to move a plant around a table five time in five different spot over a few weeks, on the etheric there could be five plants in those spots on the table.

Everything has energy and that engery exists on each of these layers of existance. So it maybe more proper to think of it as one of your engery selves rather then the 'soul' that leaves the body.

Sorry long talk but I love these metaphysical things. If you go to that website you may find out more about it then you can learn what is happening and what to do. I also use that forum so at least you know someone..sort of!

This post has been edited by Saeryne: Jul 2, 2010 - 2:12 AM

[Siali]

Val, on Jul 2, 2010 - 12:21 AM, said:

Actually, speaking of death.. I had a dream last night that I was death... then when I tuned on my laptop, I felt strangely compelled to look at my at my photos... I noticed that, Sabre(My dog), Gracie (Laura's cat), Smokey(Judy's cat) and Nancy (Adams bearded dragon)... I took lots of photos of them all the day before their deaths.. With the exception of Sabre, It was the only time I had felt the need to take pictures of them... It was weird when I realised it >_> though I guess it could be coincidence.. they all said "did you know they were going to die?" and obviously I didn't but.. weird..

But yeah!!! Im getting better, thank you for asking =D

Some people are just naturally more attuned to their spirit, I guess it may be hard to reconcile if you don't completely believe in souls or have a clear image of what they are to you.

I see that I didn't talk of my similar experiences to yours but I have had them. I'm seriously terrified of ghosts and am sensitive to that kind of energy, I just stay away from places with it. I have had to live in one house with a ghost in it once, since I was 8 and didn't have a say in the matter. I never saw it, I don't think I can, but I sure heard it. It sometimes hung out by my bed saying things and I used to feel it hanging out in various spots of the house. At first I though I was hallucinating, so did my mom. Until I made a friend on that street we lived on and she refused to come play at my house saying: "You know you live in a haunted house right?" ....

People have different levels of sensitivity and sensing, some people see and can't hear, while others can hear but not see, while others have both and may even feel with their skin and some are closed off totally. Which is why there's so much room for theories and why there's groups of people who just can't agree on what is real and why it happens a certain way.

As for sleep paralysis, this also happens to me but because I am ok and familiar to astral travel, it doesn't bother me and I just let my self drift and naturally fade back to either sleep or wakefulness. I did use to panic as a child, but the more I learned the easier its been for me. I also used to sleep walk as a child, but have stopped since I learned about astral travel and felt more comfortable with the natural 'flow' of waking up outside your body or sometimes in a place I call the 'other place' which is where I believe I do most of my traveling, but that's something else entirely. I will say that back to how you know without knowing a pet will die, I often know things like this that I have no business knowing. And I think it's due to my astral picnics , where I just subconsciously pick up on things going on in the astral plane, a place that I think is not a constant like the physical world but ebbs, brings things from the past, or the future.

Oh and I've had similar experiences to your friend visiting her boyfriend too lol, I've walked into rooms familiar to a boyfriend, a place I had never seen before and 'remembering' being there and knowing where everything is..
And before anyone says it , no I wasn't hit by a stick of crazy. And if I am, then I'm a nice crazy person!


Saeryne has some really cool info there too, think I'll check out that forum. And now I know what my 'other place' is.. ! I like your predator analogy there, to me it's all stars, blues and purples with silvery outlines of people (maybe other things?) going by or sticking around one spot for a time.

[Saeryne]

I think the other people are people who are either projecting whilst being aware, like yourself, or they can be people who are caught in their dreams. Maybe they might look as if they are acting out something to themselves?

I am only going on what I have read with other experiances, mine was very short and I have not been able to do it since. (read over 3 years ago!!)

For me the walls where light blue, outlined in white. My parents were red and yellow. I also saw my runt of a Jack Russell, I made the mistake of an attempt while she was in bed with me and I projected but stayed within my body and saw her running up and down next to me on the bed. I could feel her excitement. I was terrified. The black mass of smokey lines running around me LOL! I think this was her asleep as well.

Oh my name on those forums is Athymari, if you do go

This post has been edited by Saeryne: Jul 3, 2010 - 12:37 AM